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Post by richierich262 on Apr 26, 2010 19:16:13 GMT -5
If one team becomes stacked then good for them and bad for the other gms. Thats the goal of this thing to make a good team.
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Post by hyperboy on Apr 26, 2010 19:21:10 GMT -5
I think it's unfair because first Benn is really close to untouchable in Dallas, Voracek has the same deal in Colombus(or should) Filatov left because he didn't get along with Hitchcock, and when was the last time that a #4 was didn't produce a great prospect? i could understand a Benn for Filatov straight up but adding in the 4th overall and makes it unrealistic and is where my problem lies if the 4th wasn't in it and it was voracek and Filatov for Richards and Benn that would make more sense to me but 4th makes it an overpayment on your part and i don't blame Dallas for accepting
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Post by why2jay on Apr 26, 2010 19:21:54 GMT -5
I posted this in Here Because I suggested to puckguy that a forum be set up so that the moderators could see the trades so he made this and told me to post them here. Why do I add a conditional 1st to this deal? Does it get me closer to the playoffs next year? Potentialy yes But in no way am I giving away what could be another top ten pick next year.. I think every other GM's opinion on the value in this trade in Null and void. There are three players involved in this trade that WILL for sure play in the NHL next year and two of them are going to COLUMBUS, Filitov may or may not and the draft pick probably wont either so short term this is not helping me. I am trying to rebuild my team with the assets that "I" control.
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Post by ducks6607 on Apr 26, 2010 19:22:45 GMT -5
Ok, here's where I disagree. There have been plenty of 4th round picks that amounted to nothing. I don't see how that is an overpayment. A third would be a marginal overpayment.
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Post by why2jay on Apr 26, 2010 19:24:17 GMT -5
I think it's unfair because first Benn is really close to untouchable in Dallas, Voracek has the same deal in Colombus(or should) Filatov left because he didn't get along with Hitchcock, and when was the last time that a #4 was didn't produce a great prospect? i could understand a Benn for Filatov straight up but adding in the 4th overall and makes it unrealistic and is where my problem lies if the 4th wasn't in it and it was voracek and Filatov for Richards and Benn that would make more sense to me but 4th makes it an overpayment on your part and i don't blame Dallas for accepting Taking into consideration what you asked me to give you for Spezza and Penner before the restart you saying this now is laughable at best!!
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Post by hyperboy on Apr 26, 2010 19:24:32 GMT -5
Except the Mod's and Admins can veto it so our opinions very much do matter
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Post by jcoldwell on Apr 26, 2010 19:27:05 GMT -5
Why isn't it to you? I would have asked for that conditional 1st. I believe this is for me to answer, and I pretty much did answer why I did the deal back on page 1 and 2 I believe. Why I didn't ask for more is because it is the simple saying of "you have to give to get", just like said about blockbuster offers you have received but other teams aren't ready to give up what it takes to get the player(s) they want. Brad Richards is an elite talent in the league (points throughout his careers says enough). And me giving up a 1st and Filitov is probably in favor of me because the 1st round pick is still unknown, and Filitov still isn't as good as Richards was or is. As for Benn, like I stated previously, he put up the same amount of points that Voracek did when Voracek was a rookie, so to me that is a wash. They both are the same age (turning 21). So if you look at it, I believe I am coming out ahead of this trade, and Dallas believes he is coming out ahead on this trade. It isn't everyday that a gm can land a top center for a 1st round pick and a young player that went back to Russia. To me that should demand more. Would anyone do a 1st and a prospect for any of these centers... Henrik Sedin Sidney Crosby Nicklas Backstrom Steven Stamkos or Joe Thornton I don't think so, and if you look at Brad Richards and the points he put up this past season, he would be behind Stamkos and before Thornton. So again, why is this deal so wrong.
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Post by capsfan19 on Apr 26, 2010 19:28:26 GMT -5
it isnt but there is the problem of the NTC richards has...
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Post by hyperboy on Apr 26, 2010 19:30:39 GMT -5
I think it's unfair because first Benn is really close to untouchable in Dallas, Voracek has the same deal in Colombus(or should) Filatov left because he didn't get along with Hitchcock, and when was the last time that a #4 was didn't produce a great prospect? i could understand a Benn for Filatov straight up but adding in the 4th overall and makes it unrealistic and is where my problem lies if the 4th wasn't in it and it was voracek and Filatov for Richards and Benn that would make more sense to me but 4th makes it an overpayment on your part and i don't blame Dallas for accepting Taking into consideration what you asked me to give you for Spezza and Penner before the restart you saying this now is laughable at best!! your forgetting that i had control because you wanted my players alot and i wanted to get the best value for them i'm sure the right Gm would pay a high price for them but that was before the restart so what was the point of bringing it up?
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Post by why2jay on Apr 26, 2010 19:32:19 GMT -5
I talked to Mr. Richards he waived his NTC to go play with Nash. He was actually pretty excited about it..
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Post by jcoldwell on Apr 26, 2010 19:37:20 GMT -5
I think it's unfair because first Benn is really close to untouchable in Dallas, Voracek has the same deal in Colombus(or should) Filatov left because he didn't get along with Hitchcock, and when was the last time that a #4 was didn't produce a great prospect?i could understand a Benn for Filatov straight up but adding in the 4th overall and makes it unrealistic and is where my problem lies if the 4th wasn't in it and it was voracek and Filatov for Richards and Benn that would make more sense to me but 4th makes it an overpayment on your part and i don't blame Dallas for accepting Where do I start...And how far back should I go? 1991: Scott LaChance (played a long career, but was a 2nd pairing dman) 1992: Todd Warriner (another player that really didn't have an impact) 1994: Jason Bonsignore (wow such a good player for the Oilers and Lightning) 1996: Alexander Volchov (all but 3 games played in the NHL) 1999: Pavel Brendl (had such a long career) 2003: Nikolai Zherdev (went back to Russia) I could add more if you wish
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Post by ducks6607 on Apr 26, 2010 19:40:27 GMT -5
Again I say pass that's my final verdict. This isn't a bad deal.
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Post by capsfan19 on Apr 26, 2010 19:41:19 GMT -5
Again I say pass that's my final verdict. This isn't a bad deal. exactly its fine
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Post by why2jay on Apr 26, 2010 19:41:18 GMT -5
Taking into consideration what you asked me to give you for Spezza and Penner before the restart you saying this now is laughable at best!! your forgetting that i had control because you wanted my players alot and i wanted to get the best value for them i'm sure the right Gm would pay a high price for them but that was before the restart so what was the point of bringing it up? I didn't want them ALOT, I inquired about them. You sent me some crazy package that included the UNTOUCHABLE Jamie BenN ,AND IN no way helped my team whatsoever and at the same time told me how much VALUE the two players have. You should Read the Columbus GM's threads he is the person that should control his assets and HIM only he has stated a few time that we both like the trade for our respective teams and HE also seems pretty knowledgeable about hockey.So its not like either one of us took advantage of one another on this deal.
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Post by radiohead on Apr 26, 2010 19:41:21 GMT -5
I think it's unfair because first Benn is really close to untouchable in Dallas, Voracek has the same deal in Colombus(or should) Filatov left because he didn't get along with Hitchcock, and when was the last time that a #4 was didn't produce a great prospect?i could understand a Benn for Filatov straight up but adding in the 4th overall and makes it unrealistic and is where my problem lies if the 4th wasn't in it and it was voracek and Filatov for Richards and Benn that would make more sense to me but 4th makes it an overpayment on your part and i don't blame Dallas for accepting Where do I start...And how far back should I go? 1991: Scott LaChance (played a long career, but was a 2nd pairing dman) 1992: Todd Warriner (another player that really didn't have an impact) 1994: Jason Bonsignore (wow such a good player for the Oilers and Lightning) 1996: Alexander Volchov (all but 3 games played in the NHL) 1999: Pavel Brendl (had such a long career) 2003: Nikolai Zherdev (went back to Russia) I could add more if you wish You're helping his argument there.
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